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John Mearsheimer: Forecasting the Escalating Tensions in Ukraine, Middle-East, and South-East Asia

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Renowned scholar John Mearsheimer predicts worsening geopolitical situations in Ukraine, Middle-East, and South-East Asia, highlighting growing nationalism, troubled liberal regimes, and escalating conflicts. Delve into his insights on the Reinvent Money Podcast.
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I actually have no positive words. I think things are only going to get worse. I don't think most people understand how much trouble we're in.
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As I tried to make clear, I think the Russians will win in Ukraine. I think this will have negative consequences for Europe. It'll do significant damage to NATO.
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I think that nationalism is a growing force around the world.
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I think the liberal regimes that dominated during the unipolar moment in Europe are in
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trouble.
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I think if you look at the American domestic political situation, especially with regard
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to what's happening with Donald Trump and how he thinks about democracy, I think it's
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quite clear that the United States isn't trouble.
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With regard to the Middle East, I think the Israeli-Hallostinian conflict is only going
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to get worse.
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The idea that the Israelis are in the process of fixing this problem, I don't think is
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true.
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There's no solution to Gaza at the moment.
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Hello everybody, my name is Paul Beitink and welcome to a new episode of the Reinvent
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Money Podcast.
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Today's guest is renowned American scholar, author and one of the most quoted academics
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when it comes to international relations, John Mershimer of the University of Chicago.
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Welcome, John. Glad to be here, Paul. I'm honoured and grateful for you to appear in my show,
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so thanks so much for making and time available for me. I look forward to discussing... Sorry?
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My pleasure. Yeah. I look forward to discussing geopolitics with you,
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with a focus on the role of the European Union, where I'm based and based in Netherlands.
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You've developed this theory of offensive realism in international relations.
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Could you first of all describe what offensive realism is?
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Let me describe what realism is and then contrast it with the way most economists in business people think.
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But realism is a theory about how the world works that focuses on power.
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And it says that states compete among themselves for power.
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In other words, they worry greatly about the balance of power.
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And they want to make sure they're more powerful than all their potential rivals.
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Now why do I argue that states think that way?
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The key is that in international politics, there is no higher authority.
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In the international system, there's no night watchman, no institution or state that
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states can turn to if they get into trouble.
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And because you can never know the intentions of other states and you are sometimes dealing
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with really powerful states, what you have to do is make sure that you can protect yourself.
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It's a self-help world because again, there's no higher authority that can rescue you if you get
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into trouble. If there's a state out there that has malign intentions towards you and is also very
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powerful. So this logic applies to all states in the system. They all understand that they
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should be powerful, but because power is basically a zero-sum phenomenon, states end up competing
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for power with each other, and sometimes that security competition turns to war.
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Now people in the world of finance, economic scholars or scholars of economics, they don't
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focus on the fact that the world is anarchic, that there's no higher authority, and there
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is this ever-present threat of war. What they're interested in doing is maximizing prosperity.
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They're interested in competing economically, doing deals, trading with other countries,
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investing in other countries, so that they can promote wealth. This makes perfect sense from an
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economic point of view, but there's no attention paid to security issues.
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There's no attention paid to the fact that you live in a world where there's no higher
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authority and some other state may attack you, which gives you incentives to be really
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powerful.
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So you have this one logic realism that focuses on the importance of trying to survive in
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a system where there's no higher authority and where power matters.
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